I think it shouuld cu you have the right to marry anyone you want in america and banning gay marriage isnt right :angry:

I must say... I'm quite the biased one so of course I'm going to be for homosexual marriages. Marriage is about love, not gender. If two people love each other, regardless of sex, they should be able to marry. If America does not allow it, then I'm afraid we certainly aren't free enough. How is it any different? If anyone says it's against the Catholic religion, no offense, but not everyone is Catholic. People need to be more open-minded. Are homosexual marriages much different that a marriage with two heterosexual people incapable of having children? Are you going to prosecute them as well? I've heard that some people think homosexuals choose to be the way they are. I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. I don't see how anyone can think that a person would freely choose a life filled with hate, embarassment, harassment, and ridicule. It's not by choice. I personally am bisexual but am in a relationship with another guy. Does that change who I am? No. And that's my little bit on this topic, lol.

exactly. I respect all peole rewgardless of opinion, race, preferences, etc...because no matter how you are, you are unique and special on the inside and you have the ability to do what you want, including marry someone of the same sex. I just hope that Bush is overthrown in November :unsure:

Bush won't allow it and i also don't think its right marrage is one of our last foundations kept pure jus tthe way it has been for a long time they just can't change that now because psyva wants to get married (lol joking man i know you go both) anyways i still say they shouldn't allow it BUSH IN 04'

omg I hate Bush hes so retarded plus with the incidents in Iraq I doubt he'll get re-elected :D and plus why deny rights of citizens in the land of freedom?

who ever changed that i'm pissed if you want to post an opinion post it don't post it here i have made my statement i said it one of our last solid foundations and if my son/daughter was gay and 18 i coudln't say no now can i?

And metal sonic Bush has been doing a great job and with whats happend in iraq and freeing the people there he has a good shot at being re-elected and he is not denying anyone rights i have yet to see someones rights be taken away unless its under the habeus corpus rule. The only problem i have with bush is he won't tap into our oil reserves i say tap in run your investigation to get prices lower then we wont have to use them.

I dont have to post to convey my opinion...if I want to edit your post I will...

now to keep on topic, just saying "its one of our last solid foundations" is not a reason for why homosexual marraiges should be banned...thats just saying you are intollerant of people's choices in life...Anyone should be able to marry anyone they want...its discrimination...

Well maybe your right it is discrimination hmm i dunno and neo just because you are a mod doesnt give you the right to edit a good post i just don't want to see our foundation of marrage change after all of these years and i am tolerant of their choices i just don't think its right its not a matter of tollerance you can tolerate somthing and it can still make you mad its a matter of acceptance and i don't accept same sex marrages its a s simple as that.

Mm..I really dont have a problem with that. As long as they dont go crazy and kill others then I think they should get married. And as long as they aren't hitting on me, yeah. No one has the right to tell you you can or cannot get married

Neo and BP9...=/ Look, friends? [big bear hug!]

I'm all in it for the love! But I'm Catholic. >_> I should be saying, "Omfg! Curses! You curse our society!" But I won't.

I read somewhere that gay/bi people are born the way they are, and it makes sense. Like Psyva said who would want to face all that humiliation and stuff? o_O I don't think it's right how we discriminate gays. ._. At least they're nicer then regular guys, I think anyway. You don't see gay guys walking around slapping guys asses, or saying "Your my bitch!"

I think that way, but I'm on both sides actually. I can understand why the people wouldn't want gay marriages allowed, and I know that marriages are made because two popele love eachother so it would make sense that two gay people can be able to be united and stuff. Unfortunatley you can't. =/

I'm pretty sure that there might be chance for them to be able to get married, but it won't be in a Catholic church, and if it is, then something is SERIOUSLY wrong. Because God says in the Catholic bible that gayness is wrong. >_>

I think this is just more signs that havoc is striking the world. x_x It says something like that in the bible. =/ So I'm sort of freaked out and stuff.

Maybe gay people can be able to unite, but they won't call it "marriage" You know? I hope something's done that everyone likes.x_x

Im Catholic too, and a few days ago I was thinking about this...

God finds gayness wrong. However he creates life how they should live, so he makes someone born to be gay. Why would he create something and disprove how he made it?

I don't think gays should be deprived of the right of marriage..... I mean, isn't there something in the constitution the says "All men are created equal"? But unfortunately some people think otherwise, and those people are running the country...

Anyways, this is on the topic of Homosexuality, even thought its not on marrige.


What pisses me off the most is, if people discriminate gays and say "Its wrong to be gay", why do most people consider Lesbians right? I mean, most people woudnt care if there were two lesbians in front of them kissing but they would if there were two gay guys in front of them. I mean, what the hell? o_o

(On topic)

Personally im all for it for gay marridge, like Psyva said, "If two people love each other, why should they be deprived of the right to marry regardless of their sex?"

Wow...I can't believe I waited this long to add my piece XD.

Scientifically, there have been studies done on the brain and psyche of people in efforts to try to figure out the causes of homosexual tendancies in humans. What has been found is sexual orentation is partly biological. The hypothalamus (a brain structure located beneath the thalamus that directs bodily functions like eating and drinking) of a homosexual man is smaller than that of a hetersexual man, indicating a biological correlation (this was proved in a study by Simon LeVay in 1991 and echoed in a similar one studying homosexual sheep in 2002). It has also been shown that the corpus callosem (a structure uniting the two brain hemispheres) is notably larger in homosexual men (noted in a study in 1992 by Laura Allen and Roger Gorski). The basic trend is that homosexual men have a brain anatomy more closely resembling a female then a heterosexual male.
There is also believed to be a genetic link to homosexuality, as several twin studies have been conducted and have shown a strong correlation in sexual orentation between identical twins and a weaker (but still existant) correlation in fraternal twins.
The current belief is that sexual prefrence is dictated between the second and fifth months after a fetus is concieved. It is at this time that most of the brain's hormone levels are established. It is surmised that, if exposed to higher levels of typically "female" hormones, the individual (wether male or female) will find themselves sexually attracted to males. A study done on female sheep that were injected with testosterone (a typically "male" hormone) during this timeperiod exhibited homosexual tendancies in adulthood (documented in 1987 by J. Money in American Psycologyst magazine).

Now that I've gone through all that, I will take my moral position. Love is blind. We do not chose the objects of our affection, it happens without our consent. And, as we grow and mature and learn more about our emotions, we can see exactly how little power we have over our hearts. When this goes wrong, the emotional pain is enough. But imagine other pain as well. Homosexual youth have the highest of teen suicide rates in the United States. Why? Gaybashing, bullying, namecalling. "Faggot" and "fairy", "butch" and "rugmuncher" spraypainted on personal property or yelled in peoples faces. It happens. More than we'd like to believe.
I don't see this as any different than the denial of African-Americans and of women what should be seen as basic civil rights. We needed a new people to kick around and those "queers" are it. I am not asking for the Catholic church to accept or acknowledge gay marriage. I am saying that last time I checked we had a seperation of church and state and that two men or two women should have some type of union avaliable to share the same rights as a married man and woman. There should be something that makes them legally and bindingly one unit, just as a married couple is viewed by the government.
If the proposed ammendment to the Constitution is passed, this will be the first time in history we have put something there to DENY rights instead of PRESERVE them. I find this somewhat sickening. That we can band together as One Great Nation to oppress a group of people is horrible and disheartening. I think it is wrong to deny someone what they feel is a part of themselves.

So, to summarize that huge long mess of words up there, I am very much a supporter of gay marriage. My only regret is that I had no voice in this passing election.

I believe that all of this gay marriage talk is just a phase. I agreed with many of your points, including the one about America "banding together to oppress a group of people", but this is not the first time this has occured in America. During the 1600's o 1800s there was slavery. White Americans banded together to opress blacks but eventually people like Malclm X and Martin Luther King helped blacks to gain their rights (Keep in mind that we are still nowhere as equal as whites in America, both socially and economically, to name a few). Also, Japanese-Americans were opressed and forced to "relocation camps" douring World War 2, and Jews were killed and tortured during the same time period. This entire phase of banning gy marriage will probably end much quicker than slavery. In the meantime, I support gay marriage because it would be just wrong to opress a group of people because you don't like them. While I respect people's opinion to ban gay marriage, it is unconstitutional and unfair to ban 2 men or 2 women from getting married.

As you will notice, I did allude to this (although I missed the concentration/internment camps but did mention the women's rights movement).
I don't know if it will end as quick as you think...there have already been a few states that have adopted a state ban on gay marrige. And from that, I begin to wonder if Bush's amendment just might pass -_-.

I blame it all on ideology. For those who don't know what it is, it's basically a belief that is generally accepted by the majority of the population and is dominant in society, such as not hitting women, money being our bartering exchange, and so forth. However, every so often things cross the ideological path and the people as a whole get scared that their ideology will be altered in some way (people these days hate change) and so they rebel. The reason people are so divided on the topic is that the only people that are heard are the rebelling ones. While there may be 100 million people crying out for a ban on gay marriages, there's another 200 million more quietly keeping the marriages legal.

I'm a neutral in this gay marriage thing, it doesn't bother me either way, but i despise ideology, it destroys the idea of individualism and change. Not being gay i wouldn't know what the people wanting to get married are feeling, and probably no-one else does either, that's my point. I say they should stop being scared and accept that change happens. I don't see what's wrong with gay marriages, i mean, i hear people complaining about gay couples being a bad influence on the children. If they don't want their kids to turn out queer, they should teach them right, not complain about it.

My 2 cents.

Well said.

I'm for it. Let them do what they want, if you don't you're a communist!

*hates dress codes, rules, and idiots (or "indiots") who are communist-like*

Okay... Ignore my stupidity *goes into smart mode*

Let them marry or get a bonding ceremoney. It's their life, not yours. Gay people don't chose to be gay. People tend to think that but they're wrong. People can't make choices of who they are but they can make choices as to what they want. And if gay/lesbians want to marry let them. It's not like it is you getting married so why do people say they're against it? YOU'RE NOT THE ONE MARRYING SOMEBODY OF THE SAME SEX. I know alot of gay people. I support them 1000% (not enough to march in those parade thingys and stuff...). Luckily Canada has 9 provinces that allow Gay marriage which is a good thing (compared to the united states)

I heard that the states doesn't allow gay teachers anymore (single mothers with children cannot teach either). The states is becoming a communist country...

*back in "indiot" mode*

Ok.. thats my 25 cents! :P

Homosexual marriage...

I'm pro-homosexual marriage.

Most reasons have been stated already, but to bring up an arguing point, what is marriage? The binding of two individuals in the sight of God. Think about this: the United States was founded on the basis of the right to practice Catholic religion. Catholic theology suggests, from the Bible, that being homosexual is a sin, and enforces eternal damnation on one's soul. Well, being that in this state most marriage ceremonies are accompanied with readings and excerpts from a Bible, how do you think people are supposed to react when a minister proposes a man to a man, or a woman to a woman, changing the words of the one thing that most people in this country hold sacred and dear?

Just a proposal for an argument. I am pro-homosexual marriage because I know people have the right to choose, and people have the right to love, so don't go tooting your horn and trying to flame me because I set up an argument... =D

Actually, you're wrong. But not for your stance on gay marriage.

The United States was founded by Protestants, for the most part.

I believe that the flaw of Catholicism is that it essentially contradicts everything Jesus ever did. Well, the main point, at least. If you wanna debate that, we'll have ourselves a new thread.

I myself am against gay marriage, and for many reasons. But I'm not getting into that right now.

The Founding Fathers were primarily Christian (disagree and I'll own your sorry bum... I've got documentation), but not Catholic.

Apologetics 101.

Biblical Christianity teaches that people who believe in Jesus, no matter what they've done wrong, will be saved from hell. So if you're a gay or lesbian, I say you're messed up, big-time. But you're not damned forever. Now, a Catholic might disagree. But like you said: Not everybody is a Catholic.

As for my views on gay marriage itself:

You have to think about all the things it goes against. I wouldn't mind it so much if some of the major Pro-Homosexual groups weren't attempting to void a few things called "Morality Laws."

There's more to it, but here's an interesting thought:

I'm yet to back this up, but I'll wager that if gay marriage was allowed, there wouldn't be too much of a point.

Why?

The American divorce rate would skyrocket. :lol: I'm fairly certain that it's happened in other countries, actually. It's debatable, but still a thought. I myself have heard something that would suggest such from a (get this) FORMER homosexual.

I tend to confuse the founding of America between Protestants and Catholics because I always think of the Protestant Queen, and the refugee Catholics that fled from Great Britain, so thanks for letting me know that little tid-bit of information. Sets my life a bit straighter.

That makes sense, but you have to think about what rights are being denied, as well. Either way, there are two sides, although it's obvious that one side is greatly supported with easily arguable facts (if you think I'm talking the pro- side, you're wrong).

As for this former homosexual, what happened? Were they married before the government just cancelled all homosexual marriage licenses?

He wasn't married to a guy, but he'd done "the nasty" with a few other dudes. (on his own accord. Not just what I'm going to mention later)

He was actually married to a woman at the time. But the way he described the wishy-washiness of his condition made me wonder.

Actually, he's still married to that woman, and they've got three kids. So far as I know, none of them are homosexual.

His problem was being sexually abused by his father and his father's friends as a little kid.

Messed up. :( I felt so sorry for him, but he tells his story to crowds.

Hey, it was a Charismatic church. Weird things happen. But this guy was genuine.

I don't name him because I don't think it would do much good. Unless anyone here's ever heard of Danny Wallace?


As for myself, I think homosexuality isn't necessarily determined at or before birth. The fact that it appears in spurts throughout history makes me wonder.

I just thought about it and my mom gave a good point...Isn't marriage defined as like...a bond between a man and woman? >_>

I'm not really against it or anything. But my mom said something that was good I think,

"I'm not against it, but I don't think they should call it marriage, because then they're messing up the definition. They can call it what they want...A contract, it doesn't matter. But not a marriage."

Eh? It can be something new! Bondage contracts! xD

Man. It looks like I'm playing around in this post, I should be more serious, huh. x_x But, what I said above is true. ^_^ Or what I think.

In my opinion, I belive that everyone should have the right to marry whomever they please. I find it funny that in a nation that supposedly strives for equality, prejudice cannot be avoided. Wheter the case may be racism, homophobia or anything else, I find it wrong to discriminate people becuase of something innate, something they were born with and cannot control.
I'm not really pro or anti, maybe more pro than anti, since i support it or something, but i say that even though i may agree with clark's statement on gay marraige being "a contract rather than marraige" I still also say that it's up for the couple to decide or the people.

whaeva.
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Former homosexual? I'm sorry but I can't believe you just wake up one day and decide not to be homosexual. Considering his situation, he is probably bisexual and is just trying to ignore the homosexual side of his sexual orientation.

Anyways...

I personally, although I made my previous post so long ago I might have already said this, don't care if it's, "marriage." I would (hypothetically) would like to be, in the future maybe, recognized as legally joined with another man. I'm Athiest so I'm perfectly fine with it not being considering, "marriage." The point is, homosexuals/bisexuals/etc are not allowed to even go before a judge and be granted legal joining. That is what I find to be wrong. There is supposed to be a seperation between religion and state but that line keeps fading away for some reason. I'd type more but I'm tired... I might pick up where I left off later.

That is a disgusting thing. I remember when it used to be in secret, now it seems some are proud of it. It's not right marriage is between a man and a woman. This is the way its supposed to be. I'm not even going to say anymore because I could rant all day about it but it won't change anything. I've said my peace.

Anyone want the noob's two cents? ^_^

I'm Christian, however I'm against the amendment to the Constitution for one reason: I don't think the Government has a right to dictate who can or cannot marry. Seperation of church and state. I do not have the right to enforce my views on anyone else.

So I say, let them marry. Or if you want to avoid too much uproar, just call it a 'union' or something. But don't deny them the right. Making an amendment to take away a whole group's right to happiness is most decidedly not a good thing.

And I have a gay best friend, and I would never dream of denying him happiness.

And that's my two cents. To those who claim religious opposition to this, remember: God said not to judge unless you want to be judged. Judging is his right, not ours. We're here to help and support our fellow humans, not ridicule them.

I'm straight,so I really dont understand the whole gay thing. But I understand love and that's all that really matters to me,if my girlfriend all of a sudden became a guy,I'd stop being sexually attracted,but I'd still love her. So if gays feel sexually attracted to eachother,I see no problem with it,I'm gonna get married for love,they should be able to too.

ok, i'm christian and i totally disagree with what almost everyone else is saying, i think that homosexual marraige should deffinitly be outlawed. i don't care if you don't agree. its just flat out wrong. God made us what we are, and that is not us becoming a girl or likeing someone with the same gender, or a girl becoming a guy. you don't have to agree with me, just don't start makin' fun of me for what i think. ok?

i believe that gay marrage is constitional and thats what they are fighting for not whether or not its right cuz in america right and worng dont matter to the police all
that matters is oour rules we give up some freedoms and kep others
i think gay marrage is wrong and may lead to worst things
ive heard people sya that gay marrage might lead to beastary marrages and pediary marrages which is a far strech but i could happen
i think that under the rules we have in america gay marrage should be legal
as for my background since that seems to matter in a white male catholic republican
although i am cathlic i ahve not gone to church in a long time nor do i agree with all of its teachings and the republicans they have done alot of shity stuff but i vote on th person not the party i choose to hold the republican party as a title cuz i cant stand many democrats (i just took gov. in summer school so politics is hot in ym blood right now and it probably wont be in a while)

I see 1 period, and it doesn't even end a sentence...

Anyways, IMO gayness is OK...as long as a homosexual male comes on to me, everything is cool. I got no problem with gays at all. In fact, while I was away, my roommate was gay and I still had a good time. Just like the Civil Rights movement, this will be over soon.

im sorry i have bad grammar....

one of my friends i had his name was martina and like me and him were kewl but then like 2 years later we all found out that he was gay but i didnt see him any different and i kinda miss him (he went off to college)