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Title: answering the question
Description: are we all doomed to hell?


Treya - December 16, 2004 06:20 PM (GMT)
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Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But back on the bible and perhaps this is under another topic. Anyways, haven't you also heard that God has already let everyone into heaven that is already there. That the rest of mankind is doomed to hell no matter what they do? I have heard of this one as well. (Heh, twisted mind again.) To go in a bit further. There was only so many spaces in heaven, the so little that God made available. Which now they are all filled up and also I think there's like a few other spots for a chosen few. I mean this theory is a liitle much as well. But as I said man kind is doomed to hell anyway. No matter how many good deeds you accomplish, no matter how good you are in your religion following the rules. You're pretty much screwed all the way around. Okay yeah... Maybe this was pushing it a bit now... XD



Well I though it probably was a topic changer so i started a new one. First of all mankind is not doomed to hell. Good deeds and Religion however will not save you either. All you need to get into heaven is a beleif in God. By that I dont mean that you just have to believe he exists. What I mean is that you must believe in you heart and truly seek him. Dont just think, "oh I believe he exists so I can act how I want and still make it into heaven" no its much more personal then that. God freely offers salvation all you have to do is ask him into your heart. He will gladly except you into his kingdom all you have to do is ask him by way of prayer. After you have done that you are promised a place in heaven.

chaos - December 17, 2004 05:12 PM (GMT)
What if we're already in "hell" :blink:

I don't think we're doomed to hell. Our sins will be forgiven if we ask for forgiveness but if we don't of course we'll doomed to hell.

Venom - December 18, 2004 07:02 PM (GMT)
As for you saying this kind of stuff...

Not saying I don't believe in it, but, some may have different beliefs. Athiests, and Mormons, and such...

I believe that God has offered us all something, as a guarentee into Heaven, but, I also come to the fact that you have to find it, and accept it.

Some could believe this is where they'll stay for a very long time... Others don't.

Just keep that in mind.

.::Broken::.

Mr. T - December 19, 2004 03:03 AM (GMT)
Personally, I don't believe in hell. I do however believe in heaven and reincarnation. Reincarnation can be a choice or a punishment, depending. However, I don't think anyone is doomed for eternity. *shrug*

Sean Connery - December 19, 2004 06:11 AM (GMT)
Utter athiest here. I think we're an accident, and that death is the end-all. However, I personally don't see that as a deterrent from living a moral life. Just because I don't believe I shall be punished for all eternity for it, dosen't mean I'm willing to do things I believe to be immoral. I do, however, try to live as well as possible in the time I have. Carpe diem, baby ;)

Xen si - December 19, 2004 08:20 AM (GMT)
Life.. a mere accident? If I could believe that were so, I would not be a sane person... if I believed there was no purpose in life, there would be several bad qualities about me you would rather not know.

By saying you believe we are an accident, I assume you mean to say you believe the evolutional theory, right? If that is the case, then we are no different than animals. We live, survive, reproduce, and die. Yet, look at the room around you.. indeed we are different somehow. I don't see how that can be denied. But what is that difference? Thats the whole puzzle... could it be that humans have souls? I believe the soul is what makes a person different from an animal, what makes them explore, advance, and accomplish. But what random chance could create a soul? And if it was not random chance, then the soul must have some purpose. And what is life for the mere purpose of death? We live to die? That makes no sense. But why live to live.. how much more purpose is ther in that? I believe that is where God comes into view. If you don't mind me getting into biblical doctrine and all that again, God created mankind for the purpose of "fellowship" with them.. simply to be them in other words. It's not that he was lonely and needed company, but becaus he just.. wanted to. God is a God of love rather than a God of war, death, and judgement (though these are dealt when they need to be). Man was created to have a friendship with God.. I can't really explain it more than that.

Now, onto the matter of hell.. it does sound pretty harsh dosen't it? It's pretty difficult to believe in.. but then, so is heaven. But whats the deal with hell anyway? Well.. now for more biblical doctrine and stuff. Thing is.. hell wansn't created for people at all. See, theres this guy we've all heard of.. his name is Satan, some call em the Devil and whatever other names you can think of. He used to be an angel if you can believe that. He was like.. the man back in the day when he was still in heaven (his name was Lucifer then btw). But you see, he got proud.. wasn't happy with being pretty much the greatest angel in heaven. He wanted to be made equal with God. I'm sorry I haven't studied to learn the whole story, but I think Lucifer tried to overthrow God and was.. well.. banished. Hell was created as his prison so to speak. Satan was placed in hell along with his followers (fallen angels, comonly known as demons) as punishment for his rebellion. So why are people doomed to hell with him? Well, in the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, see, theres this whole garden which is all pretty much this perfect paradise except for this one tree. The way the stroy goes, God tells Adam and Eve not to eat from just that one tree. The tree, I believe, was put there to provide choice, because God created us with free will/choice and for that to exist there must be something to choose between (the reason for free will is that we were not created to be machines or slaves or anything like that). Now, Satan, whos been out for revenge since his defeat, convinces Eve to eat fruit from the tree and Eve then convinces Adam to eat it as well. Woo, big deal, so they ate some fruit right? Well, in doing so, they not only violated the ONLY comandment they had been given but they also sided themeselves with Satan rather than God. Becaus of that, pain, suffering, death, and decay were unleashed on this once perfect world as penalty. Now, as far as being doomed to hell.. well, were not. We have choice between hell and heaven. Hell is for those who choose to side with the devil and deny God. Heaven is for those who choose to follow God. Pretty simple eh? Trouble is getting somebody to believe a story like that..

Hugh Laurie - December 19, 2004 09:46 AM (GMT)
Personally I believe hell is earth. Or at least the place the separates us from heaven and hell.

However, no, as far as I learned when I was a Catholic, you don't simply get into heaven by praying. I still believe that now. I think, as long as you do good (whether you have a religion or not) you will get into heaven. Or at least have eternal happiness. *nods*

Also, I think heaven doesn't necessarily mean a place with angels and whatnot, it can be however you imagine it to be.

katejitsu - January 29, 2005 07:25 PM (GMT)
I am more agnostic about it... I don't really care whether or not there is a god, heaven, or hell.... It wouldn't affect my life if I knew... I don't think that all humanity is doomed to "hell" because I lean more towards thinking that there isn't one! "religion is the opiate for the masses" (forget who said it first)

Jadestone - January 29, 2005 07:31 PM (GMT)
i say live life however u want god will excpet u for the way u r. But im atheist and i believe more in reincarnation than heaven or hell. .

scientists have found particals of another plain of existence (this is a fact); perhaps after u die u live on another plain of existence.... just a theroy.

(hild_0f_g0d - July 26, 2005 09:24 PM (GMT)
Well, as to the whole "Everyone is doomed to hell" thing, I don't think that's true. Only one of the religions can be true, because otherwise the very nature of God would be in constant conflict, (Except, of course, Judaism and Christianity), which couldn't be true because the main religions which include heaven/hell all acknowledge God as being perfect. Conflict arises when there is something imperfect.
Also, Hell exists to create free will. We choose to be with or without God, and Hell is simply the place without God. Hell is his way of respecting our intrinsic worth as free, sentient beings. However, hell is terrible because yes, there is still pain, death, and everything bad there, along with satan and his followers (demons). We choose God by praying to him and asking him to save us, acknowledging that we need him, which is what makes him joyous. He wants nothing more than for all of us to choose to live with him, because it's the better option and we would be happy, but allows us to make our own choice.
God also gave us an easier way of choosing than the old Jewish law, which existed as the way to choose God and rightiousness over death before Jesus came. Jesus came as the perfect sacrifice and was the only man to return from the dead, with hundreds of witnesses. he and his disciples performed thousands of inexplicable miracles, many of which are recorded in the bible, and others are even described and written about by anti-christians and nonbelievers like Josephus and Pliny the Younger. No other religion can lay claim to anything remotely like what they did; even the legends of Muhammed's deeds didn't arise until over 200 years after his death, wheras Jesus' miracles were recorded my dozens of people within about thirty years of his death. That's even better recording than the actions of Alexander the great, and no one doubts him.
The Bible, actually, is technically the most reliable book we've ever found. There are entire manuscripts found all over themiddle east, North africa, and Asia, more than a thousand of them, each of them almost exactly like the next, proving the stories of Christ weren't distorted over time. Also, all the referencable facts (such as city locations, town descriptions, travel routes, and current rulers and politicians) check out, so we know the authors of the Bible were reliable historians, not just story-tellers.
In short, Christianity's Hell isn't something everyone is inevitably doomed to, nor is simply a twisted torture room thought up by a cruel God. This is based on the lessons and proof of the most reliable historical book ever found (The bible), the teachings of a man who did supernatural acts unlike any other, and the writings of ancient historians. It makes more sense to place trust in this view than a scientifically and historically unsupported idea, or any theorizing by average joes like myself (lol). I prefer to trust the first-hand knowledge of Jesus Christ, the prophets, and his disciples.

Kusajishi Yachiru - August 8, 2005 04:17 AM (GMT)
Define... Hell... Well no... dont... Anywho, either way, I dont believe in a heaven or a hell. I'm a Buddhist so I'm a strong believer in Reincarnation. I believe that our actions directly affect how we live in the next life. Anywho... just my two cents.

Danimal - November 6, 2005 07:54 AM (GMT)
Not sure about humanity.
I am doomed to hell.
And I wouldn't have it any other way.




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