Ummm ive recently had alot of trade problems. The one that im facing now is between myself and the melbourne coach.
The actual problem is that i wish to pull out of the trade which is Paul Sculthorpe and Gary Connolly (Melbourne) for Billy Slater and Mark McLinden (Darwin).
The reason why im pulling out is:

The fact that i did not know that Sculthorpe was changing to a lock from 5/8 which i based the trade on.

Luke Sharpe most of us know actually made the trade. I was unaware of it till couple days later due to me having exams etc.

I offered to compensate the Melbourne coach for my error in letting Luke access my computer in upgrading his stadium and player training points for next year etc. but he rudely rejected it.

There was an error made but how can it be my fault that one of my dikhead mates traded off two players that took myself months and seasons of ASRL football to aquire. Why would i want to trade off my 2nd favourite player in Billy Slater for some pommy wankers. Im a Queenslander boys honestly why would i do that.

You guys have to rule on the decision which is for me to "STAY" or for me to "PULL" out of the trade. All i have to say is you guys know me im not that type of bloke who would cry about something wrong its just i never wanted this trade and i didnt make it. so please guys rule for to PULL!

As manager of the Melbourne Executioners I, Ben Quinn refute the claims that the trade conducted by Melbourne and Darwin, involving the players mentioned (Billy Slater, Mark Mclinden for Paul Sculthorpe and Gary Connolly) should be
abandoned. The Melbourne Board feel that Darwin manager "Jelly", has realised that he has made a stupid trade.
He is now trying to reverse the trade by making excuses that hold no grounds in our competition. We feel that Jelly has accepted the trade, then continued on in order to trade off Gary Connolly as can be seen in http://invisionfree.com/forums/ASRL/index.php?showtopic=2867.
Jelly argues that because of Paul Sculthorpes obvious change of positions the trade should be annulled. I say that it is
Jelly's Job to research this. It is quite obvious with a quick visit to the st. Helens site that sculthorpe is now playing at lock. Jelly may also argue that i should've let him know of this change in position. I honestly didnt know myself, and i also bring forth evidence that jelly has neglected to mention the ratings of players dropping on other occasions. Jelly tried to trade off Connolly knowing that he was dropping to a 78. Jelly advertised him as a 88 as seen in http://invisionfree.com/forums/ASRL/index.php?showtopic=2930 . Jelly has failed to mention the players age, and his dropping
in ratings. I ask you, should the responsibility be moved from one player who hasnt researched.. to one that has.

Jelly will argue many things, which common sense will show was his obligation to research. Jelly has accepted the trade, and then found out on the players dropping of stats, which i personally was not aware of until a close aquaintance informed me. Here is an Exert from a conversation held between Jelly and ASRL bigwig Chris Walker- Bush.

[08:55:01] Cynical Poet: Depends, would it at all aid me in my pursuit
of Slater
[08:55:16] Cynical Poet: ?
[08:55:22] (*)ME agaisn: actually it wouldnt at all my friend
[08:55:44] (*)ME agaisn: slater is now officially a melbourne boy
[08:55:54] Cynical Poet: Then no chance in hell
[08:56:15] (*)ME agaisn: come on bushy i had to let slater go so i
could scully
[08:56:28] (*)ME agaisn: otherwise i would have traded u him
[08:56:29] (*)ME agaisn: i was going to
[08:56:31] Cynical Poet: Nope, no chance
[08:56:41] (*)ME agaisn: ill give u gary connolly
[08:56:48] Cynical Poet: A 7/8 fullback? No fucking way
[08:56:54] (*)ME agaisn: he is 8/8
[08:57:02] Cynical Poet: Not next year he isn't
[08:57:11] (*)ME agaisn: fuck lol

Jelly has quite obviously accepted the trade as has been proven before, and this is reinforced with this evidence. THis shows that Jelly has made the trade, then realised his stupidity. You could say he even LOL (laughed out loud) about it.

We believe we are entitled for the trade to go through, as we are happy with the progress made to improve our side next season. The trade was accepted, jelly made attempts to trade off one of the players, even knowing of his dropping in stats.THe melbourne club does not wish to be difficult, and we have tried to be charitable on many occasions. Realising the bad trade between Jelly and Benfica, Melbourne donated 2 extra players in a trade with Benfica. We want what is best for the league. I ask you, who is right and who is wrong. Their is one simple answer, and i hope that the board will wisely come to a conclusion. So we thankyou for your time, and will accept any ruling the board see's fair.

I for one rule toward Ben Quinn and his Melbourne side and this is why;

I was introduced to the deal through Ben, who informed me of the deal when I said to him to take it and run. Both seemed happy with the deal until Jelly found out Gary Connely was dropping to a 7/8.... when he almost instantly put Connelly up for trade, you would think he would have gotten someone else useful if he didn't want Connelly... I mean I just assumed he was replacing Slater.

[09:04:29 PM] (*)ME agaisn: u want connolly
[09:04:39 PM] MrCharisma: : is he 8/8?
[09:04:47 PM] (*)ME agaisn: yeah
[09:04:59 PM] MrCharisma: : dont lie to me cunt, he's dropping to 7/8
and you know it
[09:05:22 PM] (*)ME agaisn: he is 8/8
[09:05:30 PM] (*)ME agaisn: i swear he is 8/8
[09:05:43 PM] MrCharisma: : no he isnt... he's dropping and thats why
your dropping, Jelly, I'm on the board too mate
[09:06:06 PM] MrCharisma: : dont try to pull the wool over my eyes
[09:06:10 PM] (*)ME agaisn: i know ur on the board
[09:06:15 PM] (*)ME agaisn: i wouldnt try rip u off
[09:06:30 PM] MrCharisma: : brb
[09:06:40 PM] (*)ME agaisn: i thought he was 8/8
[09:13:16 PM] MrCharisma: : he ain't.....

Ben has no connection to the ASRL board and would not have known Scully was becoming a lock, however; with the proper research would have revieled Sculthorpe has played lock now for some seasons at St Helens. Nor could have Ben known Connelly was dropping either...

I feel Jelly was finally ripped off for a change and will need to deal with a bad trade. I feel no sympathy for Jelly because he has ripped off people before, including myself when I attempted to get 9/9 fullback Matthew Burke off him, I was pretty much losing half my side for him and then after the deal was confirmed, pulled out to take someone else's deal

In response to Ben

Actually i did mention the players dropping but i didnt know chad randall was
dropping. In that trade where u think i didnt tell the tassie coach anything i actually did and i offered him another player which he gracefully turned down the trade was all but fair if you compared the stats if you actually new them that is. Why would i try rip off a new kid who is thinking of leaving the ASRL wouldnt i want him to stay? Im sorry that you were just jealous that you couldnt acquire the winger which i did. You should jusrt stay out of other coaches trades and leave yours to yourself

How could i do research on a player when i didnt know i had him, when my mate had done the trade. I think everyone should just realize that i didnt do it so how does that make him have my players? He is saying do the common sense thing well look this way i didnt make the trade so doesnt that give me the right to my players isnt that some common sense?

Yes i did try to trade off Connolly but that was hypothetical i was just seeing what i could get for him. And im sure everybody does that.

That conservation was not involved between myself and Mr Bush. it was between Mr Bush and Mr Sharpe.

When have i ever honestly done something bad? you may seem to think that i did rip off the tassie coach which is also incorrect if you look at the trade over it was actually very fair and i was offering another player in the trade which would help him but he said no. Ive been at the ASRL since a very long time ive done what i can to help it why would i want to ruin it by forcing new coaches away. Ben Quinn is saying be fair make the right decision, he is right. I feel sorry for Melbourne i believe if i was to win it wouldnt be fair on them because they believed they made a fair trade but they didnt so please acknowledge that i didnt make the trade and see the sense in that.

In response to Magro

As i keep saying it wasnt me in the trade and somehow i must prove it. Magro i dont recall that conversation i would like to know the date of it to prove that it was between you and Mr Sharpe.

Honestly who have i ripped off? i have never ripped you off i had never confirmed a trade between you and me for Burke. Tell me who i have ripped off?

Putting connolly up for trade is impossible as i did not know of the trade

I will try and get into contact with Mr Sharpe who is actually away and should be back on Friday to make a response to this whole saga and to prove it was him.

The biggest flaw in you defence is this Jelly;

The deal between you and Melbourne took place at Aug 24 2004, 08:41 PM

You posted Connelly up in the trade room at Aug 24 2004, 08:57 PM

As for Burke.. don't get me started. DJMaC and Chris should remember it, cause I sure as hell do.... it was my big trade just after I promoted to Premier League. I'll explain it if it needs too

How is that my biggest flaw. Luke was on as me. On my computer cause he was staying at my house. ASRL forum is my homepage and im logged in automatically.

What i find most worrying about this is managers trying to blatantly rip each other off, and due to some people being on the board as was said in some other thread previously gives an advantage on rating etc.
But i accept this advantage as they are the ones who are putting in the effort to get ratings done etc.
Anyway im done.

I know what i say doesnt mean much but i recon the trade should be undone because earlier in the week jelly made a trade with tassie and because tassie was "getting ripped off" chris made the trade undone which i guess is the right thing to do. But the right thing to do isnt always what happens. nyway that was my 2 cents.

I reckon this shit shouldnt be out here like this. Everyones always trying to rip each other, we make trades generally cause we think we are getting the better deal. If people are stupid enough to trade based on stats and not research then they are just lazy @#*#'s and they get what they deserve.

I say leave this to the board and not people who don't vote on the outcome.

Roosterman: the deal between Jelly and Tony was cancelled because Jim Dymock is retiring at the end of the year, so he couldn't be apart of the deal.

Destructors: There so far hasn't been any ripping off between Board Members and Non Board Members other then this case I beleive. Melbourne have Andrew Ryan who is currently 8/8 but going up to 8/9... I could have attempted to get him but chose not to.... as do 99% of Boardies

Yeah i wasnt saying it in that all board members are trying to rip the "non"s in trades i mean fair go as was said earlier everyone is trying to "rip" someone off due to trying to get a better deal but i also agree that this probably wasnt the best way to go about resolving this putting it in front of everyone. If i was interested in signing anyone i would try and get ratings/positions verified before i did any sort of trade. Therefore i am probably in favour of Ben.

We put it out in the open so people could see the discussion, as opposed to us just making a ruling and not providing any real feedback..

Personally, I'm arguing in favour of Ben. Jelly made a bad trade, and without proof that the Sharpedo was the man in the seat, I can't punish Ben for spotting an easy mark.

And im ruling to give up ASRL at the end of the season or after round 17. I \m just pissed ive got ripped off for something i didnt do and thats just wrong.

The tassie deal was cancelled then reinstated with a new one then cancelled again.

So Jelly... did you know that rathbone was going up, thats what made the deal horrible. The 2 of the players you were giving him contributed to the deal being bad. You've used your knowledge of player ratings to get a better deal. I also cant believe you are quitting over something like this. I've lost out on trades, i know that now. In regards to our trade Jelly, i dont feel it is my responsibility to lose out now. The research could've easily been done man, and its not my fault that you apparantly let your friend do a trade for you. Sculthorpe is what you wanted, and you've wanted him for a long while. You know have him, if you dont want him you can trade him for a five eight. I know their are other players who would like to have sculthorpe in their side, just as i am glad to have Billy Slater in my side. I really dont think anyone was ripped off in the trade, it was a 999610 and a 88 from me, for 2 97's from you. You would be getting the better deal their, quite obviously. THe fact that Slater may go up, and connolly go down did not concern me in the deal, as all i hear are rumours. You should've had more knowledge in the trade then myself, and i think its now that something has gone wrong that you want out of the deal.

As i said Jelly, if you quit i hope its not because of this shit. I understand that it takes up time, and if you quit for other reasons its cool. Watch who makes your trades for you next time, and dont leave it a week until you get pissed off at the deal and want out.

Destructors: I wasnt trying to rip Jelly of in anyway, other then the potential i see in Billy Slater. I dont really think people get ripped off that much in the competition, unless its on a player of higher potential. I know i lost out on flannery for albert, but thats coz i didnt think about potential. Since then i have tried to make a promising rsc and have signed guys like casey mcguire, lincoln withers and michael sullivan who i think have good chances of getting higher stats in future seasons.

Rooster: Man everyone has their say and im sure your argument will weigh in the minds of other people. THe thing is i was not ripping jelly off. 2 97's for a 99 and a 88. In the trade with tassie it was found that jelly had used his inside knowledge, as he is on the board with others and aware of player ratings for next season. I did not have this knowledge, and can not control the ratings of my players in any way, i therefore used my knowledge of league (which has been improving gradually) to get young players for the future of my team. Hope that makes it a bit clearer for you rooster, well my argument atleast.

So as i said, hope you accept whatever decision is made Jelly. We both agreed to using this forum no matter what the result was, and dont quit over it. Cheers guys.

Ben

Mr Charisma: Andrew ryan is da shizzle... as they say

Actually how can i know if Rathebone is going up when the board hasnt done the stats for Tassie yet? Yes i may be quitting over this because im sick of people not believing and its just pushed me over the edge.

How old are you?

how old he wants to be so fuk off

Full of class that response .... now run along.

now run along? do u think ur superior then others or something? get over yourself mate.

Not at all - neither do I tell people to 'fuk off'. I honestly thought the idea of the ASRL was that it is all a bit of fun, but I am clearly mistaken.

geez this has been totally blown out of proportion, people having there say about something that does not concern them. I think this part of the board should be taken down and the board deals with it behind closed doors, not like this which has clearly got out of hand!

this has gone too far...

The point of this was to let everyone have a say in the running of the ASRL. It's not my fault that Jelly has decided to take it so seriously.

Im just totally pissed off with Mark his comment was not needed he didnt need to bring himself into it with an attitude.

Not to flair it up anymore Jelly but what mark said summed up what i was thinking. Its a game, thats for fun, and Mark was just having fun. Serve back an insult to him, be creative and make up bad words that rhyme with his name or something :D

I didn't think I had brought myself 'into it with an attitude' - I was just trying to make a point that I thought you saying that this had pushed you 'over the edge' was a little bit melodramtic.

However as Josh says 'people having there say about something that does not concern them' sums up my involvement exactly, and of course he is 100% right. I should have kept out of it and therefore apologise unreservedly.

Cheers,

Mark F

dont be diplomatic... fight, fight for your parents love.